Podcast: Location Matters

Podcast: Location Matters

Location Matters is a podcast devoted to the map and to the GIS industry. We discuss anything that has to do with data, mapping software, industry trends and best practices. Our aim is to give you something interesting to talk about when you get to the office or to spark some interest in how a map could help you make informed decisions. 

Episode Index

Choose an episode from the list or scroll down to see the whole catalogue in full
LM 35: Storytelling with maps
LM 34: The impact of precision agriculture in Australia
LM 33: Remote sensing for the resources industry
LM 32: Geospatial technology for non-GIS people​
LM 31: Bringing together change makers and scientists for a sustainable planet
LM 30: How ridesharing and maps go hand-in-hand
LM 29: How to prepare for the GDA2020​
LM 28: NAIDOC Week - Preserving Indigenous history with maps
LM 27: Liveli, who?
LM 26: Supporting geospatial data on the Google Cloud Platform
LM 25: The role of data in the future of WA​
LM 24: Indigenous communities and GIS
LM 23: Where to avoid taxi's and use ride-sharing​
LM 22: Open source technology with PostGIS co-founder
LM 21: How do you choose your spatial technology?
LM 20: Why choose GIS as an industry?​
LM 19: Data-driven smart cities with Google​
LM 18: What happened at Google Cloud Summit 2018?​
LM17: Fostering start ups with spatial technology
LM 16: What it's like to be a Google partner​
LM 15: Using the cloud to ask questions of our planet​
LM 14: Is your location data secure?
LM 13: A purposeful map
LM 12: Should we track workers?​
LM 11: Aussie delivery-tech gets acquired​
LM 10: Google Maps Platform with Nicola Dalmazzo​
LM 9: Collaboration in the spatial industry
LM 8: Trends in Location Intelligence 2018
LM 7: GIS is a skill for the digital age​
LM 6: The world of aerial imagery with Nearmap CEO Rob Newman
LM 5: The Power of Maps with NGIS MD Paul Farrell​
LM 4: Landgate CEO Jodi Cant and the profitable, innovative government department​
LM 3: Charlie Gunningham on innovation and funding
LM 2: CARTO and Javier de la Torre in Madrid​
LM 1: Location technology then, now and the future



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LM 35: Storytelling with maps

Mapping is one opportunity to tell a story, however, with the data collected by social groups, community services, environmental groups and government agencies, there are many more opportunities to interpret data and visualise this for non-technical audiences and users. In this episode we're joined by Mel Flanagan, Founder of Nook Studios, a community of story-tellers and Dion Fleming, Liveli’s Senior Account Manager with a background in GIS, to discuss how stories can be imparted across different mediums.

In this episode:

1:20    What is it that drives you to take more mundane information into something compelling?

4:30    Nook Studios are Open Government partners. How did Open Government begin and what does it entail from a business perspective?

7:15     How did you feel that your professional experience in the film industry would add value here?

7:53    What role did maps play in your storytelling for the Open Government work with NGIS?

11:45    How do you see your clients looking outside the box when it comes to communicating information?

14:35    People use maps daily - do you think this level of familiarity contributes to the success of mapping tools that a business implements?

16:30    How do you see data storytelling evolving in the future? Dion, where do you see things heading from a technological perspective?

Important links

Nook Studios - http://nookstudios.com/

Liveli - https://liveli.com.au/

Open Government partnership - https://ogpau.pmc.gov.au/

Common Ground - http://nookstudios.com/the-making-of-common-ground

Plastic Free July - https://liveli.com.au/Our-Work/Mapping-with-social-conscience

Coastal Risk - https://eodatascience.com/Our-Work/Coastal-Risk-Australia

Global Forest Watch - https://www.globalforestwatch.org/map

CARTO - https://carto.com/


LM 34: The impact of precision agriculture in Australia

Australian farmers are known for their resilience farming in the harsh Australian climate and more recently operating through devastating environmental conditions, particularly across the Eastern States. In this episode of Location Matters, we invite the CEO of Decipher, Anthony Walker, Technical Product Manager at Decipher, Frank D'Emden and EO Data Science General Manager, Nathan Eaton to discuss the recent advancements in earth observation technologies and how this has enabled farmers to gain powerful insights and make decisions for improving their crop yield and profits.

In this episode:

1:15      Can you explain how Decipher was formed?

3:00     How has the relationship formed between NGIS and Decipher?

5:30     Where do you see Decipher’s role currently in the agriculture industry?

8:30     How did it feel to be recognised by the spatial industry for the work you’ve done?

10:30   What is precision agriculture and how do you feel earth observation technologies have transformed the ways farmers make decisions?

17:00   Can you tell us about what the DEA technology is and how you plan to leverage it using the DEA Labs grant?

21:15   Where do you see the role of spatial technology taking the ag industry next?

Important links

Decipher - https://www.decipher.com.au/

EO Data Science - https://eodatascience.com/

DEA Labs grant - https://ngis.com.au/Newsroom/NGIS-hits-new-heights-with-EO-Data-Science

Google Earth Engine - https://eodatascience.com/Our-Technology/Google-Earth-Engine


LM 33: Remote sensing for the resources industry

Remote sensing technology enables us to understand the environmental change over time and gain insights into the extent of deforestation or environmental impact of a mine from exploration through to rehabilitation. In this episode of Location Matters we're joined by Sam Atkinson, General Manager at EO Data Science and Krystle Dobson, Senior Account Executive for Resources at NGIS Australia. We cover the key challenges faced used remote sensing, the role remote sensing can play in preventing tailings dams failures and how Krystle and Sam see the resources industry evolving with the advancements in cloud technology.

In this episode:

1:16     What is remote sensing and what are the types of remote sensing out there?

4:40     What are some of the key challenges to using remote sensing?

5:40     What information can you capture using remote sensing and what insights can you pull using this data for the resources industry?

9:30     Can you tell me about the effects of tailings dams failures and where you see remote sensing playing a part in preventing these tragedies?

11:35    How accurate are InSAR systems?

14:30    Have the techniques changed recently with how we work with remote sensing data?

15:40    How do you see the resources industry evolving over the next few years with the advancements in cloud technology?

Important links:

EO Data Science: https://eodatascience.com/

3vGeomatics: https://3vgeomatics.com/ 


LM 32: Geospatial technology for non-GIS people

One of the most common misconceptions in the world of location intelligence and geographic information systems is that you need to be an expert to use the tools of the trade. CARTO have enabled non-geospatial users to benefit from location intelligence in their day-to-day business operations. In this episode of Location Matters we're joined by Florence Broderick, Vice President of Marketing at CARTO and Dion Fleming, Senior Account Manager and Liveli's team lead. We'll be looking into the evolving partnership of Liveli and CARTO and the benefits that come with having local support, as well as covering the latest news from their Spatial Data Science Conference.

In this episode: 

1:40     How did the partnership between Liveli and CARTO form and how has this developed over the years?

4:40     What is it about CARTO that makes it so easy for people across many teams to use it? How important has this level of ease for users been when it comes to the development of the product?

7:00     What are some of the exciting projects that CARTO has worked on around the world?

10:50    How would you approach a new project where the organisation has lots of location data -but aren't sure what to do with it?

16:20    What were some of the key topics being discussed at the Spatial Data Science Conference last week?

19:00    CARTO have launched the Data Observatory 2.0. What is the data observatory for those who may not know?

20:15    What are some of the big changes we'll see in the Data Observatory 2.0?

22:00    How will this new data observatory integration benefit users of both CARTO and Google Cloud Platform?

23:30    Liveli recently signed a master reseller agreement with CARTO for the APAC region. What does that mean for your current and future projects?

25:15    What resources can I visit if I wanted to get started using CARTO or Google Cloud Platform?


CARTO 5 newsletter: https://go.carto.com/subscribe-to-the-carto-5

Liveli's CARTO technology page: https://liveli.com.au/Our-Technology/Carto

Free two week trial: https://carto.com/signup/

Location data streams page: https://carto.com/platform/location-data-streams/


LM 31: Bringing together change makers and scientists for a sustainable planet

The Geo for Good summit brought together change makers, not-for-profits and scientists to share and collaborate on initiatives to create a sustainable planet. In this episode of Location Matters we're joined by two attendees from this years' summit, Nathan Eaton, Executive Director at NGIS Australia and Sam Atkinson, Manager at EO Data Science. We'll be covering the stand out initiatives, what they both learnt and the exciting new announcement made by the Google Earth Outreach team. 

In this episode: 

1:00     Why did you attend the Geo For Good summit and what did you want to get out of it this year?

1:40     Can you tell us about the new integration announced at the summit and what this integration means for people already using Google Earth Engine?

3:15     How significant is the role of the scalability of the Cloud when it comes to Earth Observations?

4:20     Can you tell us about the Coastal Risk project developed by NGIS, why you were invited to present this project at the summit and its impact since being released in 2016?

7:30     How was the Coastal Risk project received at the summit?

8:20     Can you tell us about what the plus codes project is and how this will empower remote communities?

11:00    What were some of the stand out initiatives for you over the three days at the summit?

14:20    Were there any stand out projects from the buildathon session? How are you going to apply the things you learnt at the summit back here in the work you’re currently doing?

17:35    If I wanted to get started using Google Earth Engine, where should I start?

18:22    Where can I learn more about Geo For Good and the work showcased there?


EO Data Science - https://eodatascience.com/

Google Earth Outreach - https://www.google.com/earth/outreach/

Geo for Good website - https://sites.google.com/earthoutreach.org/geoforgood19/home


LM 30: How ridesharing and maps go hand-in-hand

Location information enables the ride sharing industry to accurately quote customers based on driving time and distance, track drivers and most importantly maintain the driver and passenger's safety. In this episode of Location Matters we're joined by JD Veldsman, the founder of Perth ride sharing company, Shofer and Oliver Looker, General Manager of Google Premier Partner, Liveli. We'll be covering the regulatory and technological challenges that ride sharing companies have been faced with over the past five years, as well as improving the sustainability of ride sharing in the future.

In this episode:

1:15   What made you take that leap and start Shofer?

4:25   Why did you choose Google Maps when setting up Shofer?

5:15   How do you think your industry is improving mapping functionality to enhance customer experience?

6:20   Oliver, you have both taxi and ridesharing companies that you manage relationships with at Liveli, why do you think they mostly turn to Google Maps?

8:04    What are the opportunities for ridesharing companies to utilise Google Cloud technology in their applications?

10:12   What regulatory challenges have you seen ride sharing face over the past five years and how have you overcome them?

13:30   Google changed their pricing to consumption based last year. What is the impact you've [Oliver] seen from this?

16:11   What are some of the advantages of working with a Google Maps Platform Premier Partner?

17:36   How important is innovation at Shofer, JD? What features make your business stand out from the likes of Uber and Ola here in Perth?

22:40   What do both of you think the future of ridesharing looks like here in Australia?


Shofer: https://shofer.com.au/

Shofer on iOS:  https://apps.apple.com/us/app/shofer/id1059186308

Shofer on Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.shoferapp&hl=en_AU 

Liveli: https://liveli.com.au/


LM 29: How to prepare for the GDA2020

Since 1994 Australia has moved 1.8 metres due to plate tectonic motion. The GDA2020 is the latest set of coordinates available for organisations to use that provides closer alignment to the Global Navigation Satellite System (eg. GPS). We welcome Director of National Geodesy at Geoscience Australia, Nick Brown to break down what is GDA2020, how will it effect us and what we need to know to be prepared for the changes.

In this episode:

1:05     Nick, could you tell us about yourself and your role at Geoscience Australia?

1:50     Can you tell us a bit about the ICSM (Intergovernmental Committee on Surveying and Mapping)?

3:10     Can you explain what a datum is and why it is important?

3:50     So why do we need a new datum?

7:45     Is GDA2020 a dynamic datum?

8:52     Do organisations have a choice between using a static or dynamic datum?

9:55     Why is the ATFR being introduced? Which industries and applications will benefit most from this change?

11:54   With GDA2020 being a fixed datum will the change for organisations be similar to back in 2000 when Australia updated from AGD84 to GDA94?

13:00   What are the benefits of adopting the GDA2020?

15:45   What are the repercussions of not using the GDA2020?

17:27   Is there a cut off time for the update to the GDA2020 to be made?

18:30   Where can people go if they want to find out more about the GDA2020?


ICSM: Home page - https://www.icsm.gov.au/

ICSM: Datum - https://www.icsm.gov.au/australian-geospatial-reference-system

ICSM: Connect with Us - https://www.icsm.gov.au/gda2020/connect-us

Geoscience Australia - https://www.ga.gov.au/

National Geodesy - http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/positioning-navigation/geodesy

LM 28: NAIDOC Week - Preserving Indigenous history with maps

Maps are used as a tool to communicate and document the culture and language of Indigenous communities and help us to preserve our Indigenous history. To acknowledge NAIDOC week this week we have Ngarluma man and Winyama's Managing Director, Andrew Dowding and Director of Digital Navigators, Moka Apiti on the podcast to explore how maps are impacting their Indigenous communities and discuss the upcoming Indigenous Mapping Workshop that will be held in Perth from July the 16th to 18th.

In this episode:

1:30     Moka, could you please tell us about your background in GIS and mapping?

2:55     Andrew, how did you get started in mapping?

4:15     Moka, how did the Indigenous Mapping Workshop get across to New Zealand?

5:25     Andrew, how did you get involved with the IMW?

7:20     What do you see as the main difference between mainstream mapping workshops, like Foss4G and Geo for Good, and the IMW?

10:33    Who are the participants that are encouraged to attend the IMW?

13:30    What feedback have you received from the workshops in both New Zealand and Australia?

17:20    How have government departments responded to the IMW in Australia?

19:15    What message do you want attendees to take away from the workshop?

25:45    Andrew, how does this year’s NAIDOC theme ‘Voice. Treaty. Truth’ resonate with you on a personal level and with the work you do?

28:10    Can you give us a sense of the direction of IMW and what is leading the change?


NAIDOC Week: https://www.naidoc.org.au/

Indigenous Mapping Workshop: https://sites.google.com/earthoutreach.org/imw-australia/home

Winyama: https://www.winyama.com.au/

Digital Navigators: http://digitalnavigatorsltd.com/

The Firelight Group: https://firelight.ca/

LM 27: Liveli, who?

Providing strong customer service is at the forefront of NGIS and Liveli. In this episode of Location Matters we announce the launch of Liveli with guest speakers, NGIS and Liveli's Marketing Manager, Sarah Butler and Liveli's General Manager, Oliver Looker. We'll be covering who is Liveli, what this new company means for our Google Maps Platform, Google Cloud Platform and CARTO customers and the opportunities Liveli has moving forwards.

In this episode:

0:53     What is Liveli?

4:23     Who’s the team working behind Liveli?

6:08     How did you decide the name and what was the story behind it?

10:28    What were some of the challenges that lead to this strategic business decision?

12:15    From a technology partnership stance how will Liveli operate?

14:05    If I’ve got a project coming up that requires an integration of Google Cloud into an existing project and we don’t have the resources available on-site, how does the partnership between NGIS and Liveli work in that scenario?

16:45    With the introduction of Liveli, what’s in store for NGIS?

19:05    What does this [Liveli] change mean for our Google Maps, Google Cloud and CARTO customers?

19:05    What's in store for the next 12 months?


Liveli homepage - https://liveli.com.au

Hazelman Creative - https://hazelmancreative.com.au

LM 26: Supporting geospatial data on the Google Cloud Platform

Combining the power of cloud technology with geospatial data is becoming a common business practice. We now have the capability to process large datasets in order to gain insights and make informed business decisions. In this episode of Location Matters, Google Customer Engineer, Alex Barron and NGIS Google Cloud specialist, Richard Greene discuss the capabilities and challenges of incorporating your geospatial data into the Google Cloud Platform and share some tips on getting started.

In this episode:  

2:10        Alex, how would you describe the Cloud to someone who doesn’t understand what it is?

3:46        Richard, what are some of the key differences between ‘normal’ data and geospatial data? Should we treat geospatial data differently to other data?

6:15        Can you give some examples of industries that work frequently with geospatial data?

8:00        What are some of the obstacles industries face when it comes to working with geospatial data?  

9:50        What types of products and services are available in the GCP to support geospatial data?

12:32       What do you think a business should look for when embarking on a geospatial project?

13:55       Where is a good place for people to start looking at Google location oriented data services?

15:34       Where can I get more information on getting started with Google Cloud?


Google Maps Platform Overview - developers.google.com/maps 

Google Cloud Overview - cloud.google.com

Google Perth Meetups - https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/Google-Perth-Meetups/

Specific meetups for GIS - https://www.meetup.com/en-AU/topics/gis/au/

Very Spatial podcast - http://veryspatial.com/

Speaking of GIS podcast - https://speakingofgis.com/

Mapscaping - https://mapscaping.com/blogs/the-mapscaping-podcast

Data Analytics blog from Google -  https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/data-analytics

LM 25: The role of data in the future of WA

When you apply geographic context to data, you gather insights that cannot be replicated on a simple piece of paper. Digital maps provide a way to visualise data that can help guide decision making and create positive social change. In this episode of Location Matters, the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Western Australia, Professor Dawn Freshwater and Managing Director of NGIS, Paul Farrell discuss the vast amount of data available here in WA, how location intelligence can be applied to data and what these insights could mean for the future.

Transcript available here 

In this episode:  

0:44     Dawn, in a speech at a CEDA event you said WA is very 'data rich', what kind of data were you referring to? 

4:15     What are the opportunities WA has when considering all this data?

8:05     How do we interpret the data and what role does location intelligence have to play in this? 

10.20   What are some of the ways that spatial technology can shape the future of the state?

14:04   How does technological innovation impact the way you prepare for future students at UWA?


Square Kilometre Array - https://www.industry.gov.au/strategies-for-the-future/astronomy/co-hosting-the-square-kilometre-array

NGIS Customer Success Stories - https://ngis.com.au/Our-Work

University of Western Australia - https://www.uwa.edu.au/

UWA Oceans Initiative - http://www.oceans.uwa.edu.au/ 

Coastal Risk Australia - http://www.coastalrisk.com.au/ 


LM 24: Indigenous communities and GIS

Location is inherently a core part of Australia's First Nation's culture and GIS technology is now assisting in the education of all Australians by providing additional insight and context to aboriginal heritage through maps. Andrew Dowding and Paul Farrell discuss the connection between GIS and aboriginal communities, the importance of digitally documenting indigenous knowledge through maps and their joint venture, Winyama.

In this episode: 

0:51 Andrew, as the managing director of an indigenous digital mapping company, what led you down this career path?

2:42 Over the last 12 months a partnership has formed between Tarruru and NGIS called Winyama, what is the major aim of Winyama?

6:37 What are some of the ways maps and GIS can be used within indigenous communities?

10:34 What careers can young indigenous Australian's pursue in the geospatial industry with regard to educating others about their aboriginal heritage?

16:35 Tarruru was the main partner for Australia's first Indigenous Mapping Workshop in 2018, what were some of the key takeaways from this event?


Winyama Website - www.winyama.com.au 

Muru View - https://dxlab.sl.nsw.gov.au/muruview/ 

Aboriginal Heritage Inquiry System (AHIS) - https://maps.daa.wa.gov.au/AHIS/ 

Gambay languages map - http://www.gambay.com.au/map 

Atlas of living Australia - http://regions.ala.org.au/#rt=States+and+territories 

The Anthropological Society of Australasian Survey - Aboriginal place - https://dxlab.sl.nsw.gov.au/weemala/ 


LM 23: Where to avoid taxi's and use ride-sharing


When you map the right data, you can find fascinating insights. Simple analyses shown on a map can help you see patterns you couldn't see elsewhere, which can help you make decisions. Adam Mullett and Dion Fleming join Sarah Butler to discuss their analysis which uses a map to help answer the question of where it is best to use ride-sharing instead of a taxi.

In this episode: 

0:30 What is the analysis you performed? 

1:44 What did you learn from the analysis? 

4:05 Why is a map the best way to show and share this data? 

7:18 What do you need in order to do analysis like this and how hard is it to take it to the next level? 

9:33 If people want to learn more about this, what are some of the tools they can look up to get themselves started?


Open data sources from government - https://www.data.gov.au

CARTO 5 - https://go.carto.com/subscribe-to-the-carto-5 

80 Data Visualization Examples Using Location Data and Maps - https://carto.com/blog/eighty-data-visualizations-examples-using-location-data-maps/

Uber developer console -  https://developer.uber.com/docs/riders/references/api/v1.2/estimates-price-get 

LM 22: Open source technology with PostGIS co-founder

Open source software is changing the world and growing a strong community from around the globe. Free software that is contributed to by the developer community underpins many of the spatial solutions that we build and Paul Ramsay, co-founder of PostGIS, explains why we all need to pay attention and start contributing to the project.

In this episode:

0:48 Why have you devoted so much time to open source software in your life?

3:12 What have you learned along the way since your first version of PostGIS up until now 17 years later?

7:05 There is a battle between open source and commercial products. When do you use each of them?

8:52 We have some clients who have had success with open source

9:36 The keynote at the conference was a call to arms - why should people use and contribute to open source?

12:08 Why wouldn't an organisation commit time and money to the open source community?

13:29 For those who do want to contribute to open source software, where do you recommend they start?

17:15 In a corporate setting, how do you sell the vision and convince them to commit funds or man hours to open source?

20:08 What are the most interesting conversations you've had and interesting things you've seen at the FOSS4G conference?


PostGIS - https://postgis.net/

FOSS4G Conference Melbourne - https://foss4g-oceania.org/

Maori Maps cultural mapping - http://www.maorimaps.com


LM 21: How do you choose your spatial technology?

You've defined your business problem and you think spatial technology might be a good way to solve it, but how do you start? What are the questions you need to ask and what technology needs to go into the stack? Directors Richard Bentley and Paul Farrell join Adam Mullett to discuss.

In this episode:

0:40 How do you even know you need an application with spatial capability?

1:38 Should we use off the shelf GIS tools or make something custom?

3:55 If you have spatial technology, do you need embedded capability to support it?

7:16 How do you even begin to choose the spatial data and platforms you need to use for a solution?

10:37 What are the pitfalls people should avoid when designing their tech stack?

15:35 How should people start learning about spatial and how to solve their problems?


LM 20: Why choose GIS as an industry?

Mapping has never been more relevant in industry as it becomes more accessible. Spatial products are used by the majority of the world's companies in some form, whether that be simple address checking, analysis or highly sophisticated applications. So why did the people at NGIS join the industry and which parts do they enjoy? Nick Chai, Dion Fleming, Richard Bentley join Adam Mullett on Location Matters to discuss their feelings towards the industry.

In this episode:

0:51 Why did you choose GIS to work in?

4:56 What can GIS do?

6:56 What are some projects you've worked on that have had an impact?

9:51 Is mapping going mainstream?

13:09 Is mapping being well taught in universities?

16:07 Where should people start if they want to get into the industry?


GeoRabble - https://georabble.org/

Learn Python - https://learnpythonthehardway.org 

Spatial Source - https://www.spatialsource.com.au/magazine

Directions Magazine - https://www.directionsmag.com/

GIS Lounge - https://www.gislounge.com/


LM 19: Data-driven smart cities with Google

Crowd sourced data has been used for a number of years now to support decisions around infrastructure and cities. Without having to set up equipment to collect measurement data, we can now ask questions of our cities using a raft of data sources, which allows us to play with ideas and thrash out scenarios before needing to commit to a direction. It also allows players into the market who traditionally didn’t have a starting point to be competitive. So what’s next and how is the data being made easier to use? NGIS transport lead Jeeten Chauhan and Google’s smart cities lead in APAC Ian McPherson join Adam Mullett on this episode of the podcast.

In this episode:

1:02 How is data monetisation allowing new entrants into the market?

3:44 How is the data opening up new industries?

6:00 What sort of challenges is Google working on in cities?

8:17 What acquisitions has Google made in the smart cities space?

10:33 What's the most interesting type of data you get from phones as probes?

12:56 What are the practical uses for traffic data?

15:33 Having access to new data types is not a silver bullet and the outputs have limitations

18:50 Links for more information about using crowdsourced and open data


Victoria's open data directory - https://www.data.vic.gov.au/

NGIS case studies - https://www.ngis.com.au/Our-Work

Remaptcha - https://wiki.hsr.ch/StefanKeller/wiki.cgi?ReMAPTCHA


LM 18: What happened at Google Cloud Summit 2018?

Google Cloud Summit is where all the new products are presented and where Google's top talent are available to chat to. So what happened at the Carriageworks this year in Sydney and how are Google helping businesses build what's next? Richard Greene and Adam Mullett discuss what they saw at the conference.

In this episode:

0:50 What were the most interesting parts of the Google Cloud Summit?
2:00 How Domain and The Iconic are using GCP to change their businesses
5:45 Apigee blows the socks off by making APIs from anything
7:03 BigQuery is adding geospatial capability
7:38 Is GCP ready to be included in the enterprise stack along with Azure and AWS?
9:54 Google seem to be making a lovely ecosystem that all work together as a walled garden (or comfort blanket?) - what are the impacts of this approach? 
12:27 TPUs are changing how we run machine learning loads
14:03 Where you can learn more (see links)  


Watch the Cloud Summit keynote - https://cloudplatformonline.com/2018-Sydney-Summit-Home.html
Apigee - https://cloud.google.com/apigee-api-management/Apigee - https://cloud.google.com/apigee-api-management/
Big Query - https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/
Tensor Flow - https://www.tensorflow.org/
Machine Learning with TensorFlow on Google Cloud Platform - https://www.coursera.org/specializations/machine-learning-tensorflow-gcp
AutoML (Beta) - https://cloud.google.com/automl/

LM17: Fostering start ups with spatial technology

It isn't easy being a start up, but if you've got an innovation built on spatial technology you can tackle different problems in new ways...but is the ecosystem set up to foster success? SPUR's Justin van Didden and Instatruck CEO Siobhan Lancaster join Adam Mullett to discuss.

In this episode:

0:32 What is SPUR?

2:06 Where does SPUR fit into the start up landscape?

2:52 Instatruck has been through SPUR - what was it like?

5:18 What does SPUR need from government and industry to foster innovation?

8:44 Where does Instatruck see success?

9:33 Was the start up ecosystem good enough to support Instatruck?

10:39 Investor Bill Tai thinks Perth could be the next Silicon Valley

13:00 How do we take advantage of technology to reduce the distance between remote locations?

13:37 How can large governments and businesses use young enthusiastic people to innovate?


CARTO Traffico - https://carto.com/solutions/traffico/ 

Data.gov.au - https://search.data.gov.au/ 

Data.wa.gov.au - http://data.wa.gov.au/ 

Google Maps for routing - https://cloud.google.com/maps-platform/routes/ 

Waze - https://www.waze.com/ 


LM 16: What it's like to be a Google partner

Working alongside one of the world's most innovative and useful companies shows you a new way of working and opens the door to opportunity. It's also a wild ride when an elephant decides to pivot quickly. Adam Mullett and Paul Farrell discuss what it's like to be a partner of Google.

In this episode:

00:56 Why did NGIS, a spatial company get into bed with Google?

2:34 Google has a strong partner ecosystem now, but was it always like this?

3:50 Google has shown us a new way of working and keeping up with Google is a skill in itself

5:40 You get energy from working with Google

6:07 The company flew up to Singapore to see the amazing Google office - does it increase productivity though?

8:24 Google technologies change the world - what doors does it open for a partner?

11:06 Google lives 10x

11:58 Innovation is part of the culture we can learn from

13:05 Google turned the mapping world upside

13:45 Where do we think Google is heading tomorrow?

14:54 Google is going beyond search


Google is getting into the talent solutions market - https://cloud.google.com/solutions/talent-solution/

LM 15: Using the cloud to ask questions of our planet

Our world is an incredibly dynamic place and we have come to understand aspects of it over time. Since our entry to space the technology we use to understand the planet has changed the questions we ask and the data we have at hand to answer them. Widely available and powerful cloud computing infrastructure has changed the game again – we are able to use thousands of computers at once to get answers that would be incalculably expensive to process by other means. Paul Farrell, Nathan Eaton and Adam Mullett discuss the world or earth observation and cloud computing in this episode of Location Matters.  

In this episode:

1:00 What tools do we have at our finger tips to understand our world?
2:30 New platforms are enabling us to use the data
3:24 How mature is the tech industry in understanding data about our world?
6:41 We have more access to data, yet we see less trust in science than previously. Why?
10:06 Remote sensing is becoming sexy again
13:08 So now we have access and get answers
13:29 Coastal Risk Australia and Green Precision have been game changers in how we use earth observation data to build awareness  


Google is expanding its public datasets for geospatial and ML-based analytics - https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/data-analytics/expanding-our-public-datasets-geospatial-and-ml-based-analytics


LM 14: Is your location data secure?

In the digital age everything is online and increasingly we are seeing large data owners start to process and sell it so others can make decisions. It's an exciting time, but what are the security implications and where do we have to be careful when building applications. NGIS executive director Richard Bentley and Principal Consultant Richard Green discuss trends and issues in cyber security with Adam Mullett.

In this episode:

1:13    In the digital age everything is online - do we need to be worried about security?

3:33    Is cloud or on-premise safer and when do you go for one or the other?

6:43    From a business point of view what might influence on-premise or cloud?

9:16    Where's the security in IoT devices?

10:05    Data monetisation is a huge new industry and our habits and movements are the product - are they being safe enough with our data?

15:15    Should companies have to work hard to keep the social licence to monetise the data we contribute to?

18:55    If we build mapping applications do the consumers or the data providers need to take steps around security?

19:15    Is address data actually valuable from a privacy point of view?

21:07    Where can people go if they are looking to learn more about these topics?


Essential 8 - Australian Signals Directorate - Good practical measures for companies wanting to decrease their security risks.

SANS Institute – Vast resource of information, training, conferences. Also hosts Podcasts and research papers.

Security Now Podcast (with archive for the last 13 years) - Mix of technical and non-technical security discussions. Great resource for emerging risks.

Microsoft Security - vendor supplied resources

Project Zero - quite technical in nature, but on the cutting edge for cyber security vulnerabilities

Kali Linux - Excellent resource for people who wish to get their hands dirty. Lots of tutorials available on running penetration tests on your network.


LM 13: A purposeful map

Without a clear purpose your map runs the risk of confusing people who you'd like to communicate with. Paul Farrell and Richard Bentley discuss why a map needs a purpose and how you know you've got one. They also give examples of their favourite purposeful maps.

In this episode:

0:45 Why does a map need a purpose?

2:55 Google has created a clever cartographic product

4:05  If anyone can now make one, does it make maps now worse than ever?

7:00 How do you know if a map doesn't have a clear purpose?

9:38  Should you have to explain the purpose of the map to the user?

11:16 Is there a test to know if a map has a clear purpose?

12:26 Great examples of maps that have a clear purpose


Stuff in Space - 3D map of space junk:  http://stuffin.space

Coastal Risk Australia: http://www.coastalrisk.com.au

Skyview app iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/skyview-explore-the-universe/id404990064?mt=8

Skyview app Android: 


LM 12: Should we track workers?


In the age of tracking, should we be tracking workers using their phones? Recently Canon won a ruling from the Fair Work Commission that said after 18 months of dispute with the Australian Services Union, that it can track its workers during work hours. NGIS Executive Director Richard Bentley and Principal Consultant Chris Hoar discuss the sticky situation and how others can avoid conflict in future.

In this episode:

1:21 How does it make you feel to see a ruling like this where tracking has been allowed?

3:10 What should the reasons be for tracking staff?

4:32 Does the union have the point about disciplinary risks to staff?

10:25 Is there a real distinction between tracking vehichles and tracking worker phones?

12:01 What part do business rules play when designing and building tracking systems?

13:31 Do companies owe customers service tracking?

15:28 What benefits could workers gain by being tracked?


  1. Financial Review Article: "Canon gets go-ahead to track employees by phone", Accessed 7 August, 2018

  2. General Data Protection Regulation - Wikipedia


LM 11: Aussie delivery-tech gets acquired

Delivery-tech start up Spatula.io were recently acquired by the Irish WeBringg Group. Founder of Spatula.io and CTO of WeBringg Group Andrew Walker joins NGIS on the podcast to talk about the world of delivery technology and the journey from start up to commercial success and ultimately acquisition.

In this episode:

0:38 Spatula.io is an innovation success story - what do you do and why were you attractive as an acquisition target?

1:59 Why did the tech get the attention of WeBringg Group?

3:22 Why is the delivery space an interesting space to be in at the moment?4:25 Why is spatial technology important in this space?

6:02 What was the journey like from start up to acquisition?

9:21 How do you stop potential customers forcing you into scope creep?

11:31 Last mile delivery is very complex - how has Spatula.io dealt with the pain points in this part of the logistics chain?

13:19 How Spatula is using the technology to communicate with customers

15:27 Where does the name Spatula come from?

16:28 How did you decide to use Google Maps Platform as part of the solution?

20:17 What advice would you give to someone looking to get into the tech business?


  1. Delivery-tech start up Spatula.io

  2. Irish same day delivery company WeBringg Group



LM 10: Google Maps Platform with Nicola Dalmazzo

Google Maps Platform is the new commercial model for Google Maps API. It will change the way many businesses use the APIs and will allow many companies that previously couldn't make the business case stack up to start using it. However others will find their costs go up. Google's Nicola Dalmazzo sits down with NGIS to talk about the changes and where we can get value out of the world's favourite webmap.


0:51 Google Maps is evolving - where is it going as a platform?

4:06 How are people using Google Maps to innovate today?

6:26 Where would you like Google Maps to go next and what problems could it solve?

7:48 The nexus between Google Cloud Platform and Maps - you can ask so many new questions, but where do you start?

10:03 Are GIS people going to move more into cloud or vice versa

12:36 How does the new Google Maps Platform commercial model align with companies' revenue model?

15:39 How does someone determine if Google Maps is good value for their business?

18:11 What sorts of companies will benefit from Google's new commercial model?

LM 9: Collaboration in the spatial industry


The recently renamed Frontier SI (formerly the Collaborative Research Centre for Spatial Information - CRC SI) works with public, private and research organisations to use spatial technology to create value for society. Join Nathan Eaton of NGIS and Nathan Quadros of Frontier SI to hear about how collaboration leads to outcomes in the world of location.


0:50 You're now called Frontier SI (formally CRC SI) - tell us about the future

2:25 What does it take to become a CRC and why are you moving beyond it?

4:00 Why is spatial technology a good field for a CRC?

4:49 How collaboration with a CRC works

6:20 Where do you get the most success?

7:18 Australian universities great research, but are they getting their products out to market?

9:11 How does someone get your attention for a project?

10:52 What are the growth areas for spatial in Australia and the world?

13:09 Traditional science has been flipped with data now available

14:24 We've won the UN award together for sea level rise and people love these maps, why do people respond so well to it?


LM 8: Trends in Location Intelligence 2018


Richard Bentley and Paul Farrell give their analysis on the 'why' behind Location Intelligence Trends for 2018, according to the CARTO whitepaper with the same name. Are Australian businesses up to speed with LI? Do we know how to use data to make decisions? Find out in this week's episode.


1:14  What is location intelligence and is Australian industry familiar with it?

4:50  How many boardrooms in Australia are using location intelligence to make decisions?

5:42  55% of companies are familiar, but only 17% use location intelligence to make decisions - why is there a disconnect?

8:22  Why do companies struggle with data quality and accuracy? 

10:37  Do you need real time data and where can you get it? 

13:06  Common use cases for location data are around marketing - what else can companies do?

15:31  What do companies need to do to start using location data?

LM 7: GIS is a skill for the digital age

What are the skills of the modern age and how is GIS becoming more mainstream as a skillset that is needed in many job roles? NGIS Training Manager Diana Titren, Executive Director Richard Bentley and Marketing Manager Adam Mullett sit down to discuss where training fits in for mapping skills that are becoming more crucial in the workplace.

In this episode:

0:00 Introduction
0:38 What it takes to survive in the workforce in 2018 and beyond
2:04 GIS is now a skill you need in different industries
3:00 The need to understanding information means GIS is required
3:45 What universities can do better to prepare people
5:16 How does a company identify a skills gap?
6:35 The GIS learning roadmap
8:31 How to know you need training
9:44 How to convince your boss you need training
12:40 The characteristics of a good training experience
13:34 The role of practical exercises in training
13:56 The people who shouldn't do training
14:33 What will training look like in the future?

LM 6: The world of aerial imagery with Nearmap CEO Rob Newman

Rob Newman speaks with NGIS New South Wales Business Manager Jeeten Chauhan and NGIS Marketing Manager Adam Mullett about the world of imagery and how it is becoming more accessible to industry.

In this episode:

0:40 What is the history and origin of Nearmap?

1:15 Aerial imagery has become more democratised and easier to integrate - What are other people and industries doing with that imagery?

3:20 As the imagery industry has matured there’s been a lot of other competitors that have entered the market, not just from aerial imagery, but also from satellite and drone imagery. People perhaps don’t care about how the imagery is taken - How does Nearmap respond to those new entrants?

4:30 Is satellite imagery improving enough that it can compete or is Nearmap doing something special to keep ahead?

5:25 Does Nearmap have any long term plans to go into space?

6:30 What benefits are our clients seeing when they integrate the rich data that Nearmap provides with their sales or business data?

8:50 How is aerial imagery is more than just a picture?

9:40 What is it about 3D that makes people get excited and tells an engaging story?

11:45 What do you see is the next industry where you are going to have a really big impact?

13:05 (Jeeten) Are there any things Nearmap might not have thought of?

15:00 Ten years from now using AI and machine learning, where do you expect imagery to be used and what are the sorts of things we’ll be able to get out of it?


LM 5: The Power of Maps with NGIS MD Paul Farrell

Maps are a powerful storytelling tool and when they are well designed, help us make decisions based on data. Listen to Paul Farrell and Richard Bentley talk maps on the podcast, like they have been for the last 25 years.

In this episode:

0:35 What is a map?

3:10 Why should we use a map?

5:45 We probably don’t always need a map - When should we not use a map?

7:45 Why do I need to spend money developing a map? Why is Excel not enough - when do I need a map?

8:55 What is location data?

9.25 Where do I get location data?

10:20 What about CRM? Is the addresses data of my customers or value of sales data an example of location data?

11:30 What are some good examples of maps you’ve seen recently?

14:00 What are the characteristics of a good map?

LM 4: Landgate CEO Jodi Cant and the profitable, innovative government department

A profitable government department. Landgate has spent the last 10 years fostering innovation through a structured program. Innovation program founder and now Landgate CEO Jodi Cant joined NGIS to discuss how a government agency can spin off companies and provide an environment where start ups can take advantage of public assets.

In this episode:

0:35 What do you see is Landgate’s role as being a provider of spatial services and data for Western Australians going forwards?

1:35 How does Landgate as the land information authority benchmark against other similar departments around Australia?

2:20 How do you deal with the tension between providing income for Landgate and providing community based typographic information?

3:45 You were one of the trailblazers in WA government - How did you get from being a government employee to starting this innovation hub?

5:10 Do you think it was a coincidence that the first innovation program in Australia was in spatial technology?

5:45 10 years on - what do you think you’ve achieved in the Innovation Hub?

7:25 If someone came to you and said they’d like to replicate what you’ve achieved - what would you tell them to do? What are the first steps?

8:50 How do you [Jodie] think Landgate is different to other government departments in their behaviour?

11:45 Why does data replication occur across departments/ why is it allowed to occur?

1:05 What environment do you need to build for people inside your organisation to be successful or add that innovation?

14:50 How do people get in contact with SPUR?

16:25 SPUR’s had a few really good success stories that we’ve seen in the market. Are there any other departments that you’d like to see, in different industries or states, that you would like to see start up an innovation program?

17:45 Final thoughts about innovation, government or spatial?


LM 3: Charlie Gunningham on innovation and funding

Charlie Gunningham has been innovating in the Australian marketplace for more than 25 years and now helps others gain funding from the federal government. Join Charlie and NGIS' Richard Bentley and Adam Mullett to find out why spatial is a key technology for start ups.

In this episode:

00:40 Charlie Gunningham, your title is Commercialisation Advisor at Accelerated Commercialisation - what does that title mean?

1:28 What is innovation?

2:56 Is there something innovative about ideas that aren’t new to the world, just new to me?

4:28 How do you help people innovate using a map?

5:55 Many startups that are coming out of Australia have a spatial component coming out of them. Why is spatial becoming so big?

8:20 How is the mining industry helping the startup industry?

10:10 Who’s responsibility should it be to create the environment for innovation - big companies, government or startups?

12:15 40% of jobs are going to be disrupted in the next 10 years - what’s going to happen?

13:50 Digital disruption is a cliche- what’s the most influential technological change that you’ve (Charlie) seen come through industry?

16:40 If you’re in an existing company and you have an idea- how do you take it from an idea to being a product or a business model? How do I commercialise that as an intrapreneur or as a company?

19:15 [Richard] You’ve been in sales a long time - what do people buy?

22:55 Have you seen any startups out of Australia that you think are really promising that we should check out? 


LM 2: CARTO and Javier de la Torre in Madrid

Listen to the NGIS podcast Location Matters Episode 2 with CARTO CEO Javier de la Torre, NGIS Executive Director Richard Bentley and NGIS Marketing Manager Adam Mullett.

In this episode:

1:00 What is CARTO and where does it come from?

3:55 Is there a difference between CARTO and the traditional GIS stack?

6:05 CARTO uses the phrase LI often and that plays off business intelligence - Where do you see it moving from in a corporate/ business sense and the users there in understanding how they can use mapping and GIS?

8:40 LI is bigger than ever - What will happen to the GIS teams in client organisations, NGIS and the industry?

11:40 CARTO plays well with other technology stacks - Where does that play into your [Javier] strategy and why does that make CARTO relevant?

14:15 Are you able to reveal to us today anything in the roadmap for CARTO?

16:30 Asia has a diverse range of markets from developing to highly developed markets - Where do you see the business opportunities here to apply what CARTO has built?

18:30 Are we now entering the golden age of visualisation and analytics?

20:40 What are some of the most interesting, unexpected use cases that you’ve seen for CARTO around the world?



LM 1: Location technology then, now and the future

NGIS Executive Director Richard Bentley discusses the role of location and mapping technology when he first started in the industry in the 1980s and the progress made in the time since.

In this episode:

0:50 How long have you [Richard] been in the industry?

1:40 How has your [Richard] experience affected how you view mapping technologies today?

3:00 Where has location information come to over the last few decades in business?

4:30 Do companies struggle with big amounts of data and getting information out of it to make decisions?

5:50 Humans are visual animals - Why are maps the best way to get answers out of your data?

6:50 What are some of the most important mapping technologies for businesses right now?

8:25 What are some of the applications where HD real time video and pictorial data could be useful?

9:20 Realistically, what are some of the location opportunities that are now new that will become business as usual in the future?

11:45 How soon before workplaces can reach the same level of personal and customised information that is currently available within consumer applications (ie. FitBit integrating with doctors)?



Location Matters is hosted by Sarah Butler, who is regularly joined by NGIS Executive Director Richard Bentley and Managing Director Paul Farrell. The podcast is produced by Jaimee Nobbs.

If you would like to suggest a topic or come on the podcast as a guest, please get in touch.

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